S&P’s Why Not US?!: Episode #4

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Welcome to S&P's Why Not Us?, the podcast that will confidently look you in the eye and claim full responsibility for the Knicks' 11-game winning streak.

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I'm your co-host Scott Greenhut, and on the other side of the mic, my good friend Peter Olczyk.

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Hello.

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It's great be back at it.

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Happy start of summer.

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Well, unofficially, I guess that is.

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And that got me thinking a little bit with summer.

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I thought maybe we would sort of compare notes on, on rules, if you will.

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Memorial Day, Labor Day, fashion, grilling, the calendar.

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Tell me, uh, where are you at on some of this stuff? Let's see how aligned we are.

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Okay.

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I, scratched down, three rules of thumb I like to use during the summer season.

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Rule number one: outdoor plans always take priority.

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If the weather's good and someone invites you outside, you go.

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You cancel the indoor thing.

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This is non-negotiable from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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Right? Enjoy it.

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Enjoy it while you can.

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You wanna hit me with one? Yeah.

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Or I got number two.

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Go ahead.

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Hit me with one.

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All right.

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Let's do, uh, fashion.

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So this whole wearing white business I took a look at.

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Now, I think we all know that I have never exactly been a fashionista.

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No.

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No, yeah, that, that's true.

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Also not a foodie.

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But, uh- Yeah, so I'm very happy that basically the norms over the last bunch of years have gotten much more casual, so sure, I'll wear white if I happen to have white shorts.

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I do actually own a pair now.

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Yeah.

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Early May, mid-May, happy to do it mid-September as well if the weather's nice, all that good stuff.

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That's- Rebel with a cause.

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Yeah, that's my fashion stuff.

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Going down.

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Okay.

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If you're invited to a party with a pool, be that guy.

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You gotta go in.

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Once you go in, everyone else goes in.

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It's just more fun.

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Well, I think we know that I am typically the first person in the pool, and I don't usually ask, you know, to do it, so yeah.

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So that's a good job by you.

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Again, I'm- That's in the continue category.

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Keep it up I'm pretty, I'm pretty casual on that front.

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Let's l- how about grilling? So, uh, you are certainly the grill master here.

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I'm more of the grilling assistant guy.

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But, uh, two-hour rule.

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I saw this one.

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I like it.

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You know, if it be under two hours if perishable food has been outside to make sure that- Oh things are sort of safe and healthy.

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Uh-huh.

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And my question to you is, as a grill guy- Yeah do you use the food thermometer? Is that a thing? I absolutely use the food thermometer.

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I picked that up a couple years ago, no looking back.

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Now, what I haven't invested in is the Bluetooth version, where you can actually- Oh see on your phone.

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You know, you don't even have to be standing at the grill.

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You can get a read that way.

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So I'm more old-fashioned.

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I like to stick it in, see what, uh, see what the gauge has to say.

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But, I'm almost always with the food thermometer.

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I like it.

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All right, one last one.

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So calendar.

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Unofficial start to the summer, Memorial Day? Yes.

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Unofficial end to the summer, Labor Day? Yes.

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And why is that for me? Well, Labor Day also kinda reminds me of football.

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Football means the fall, so there you go.

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That's kinda my unofficial summer calendar.

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That works.

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That works.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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All right, excellent.

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Let's, uh, let's move out of the rules and into some of the sports stuff.

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In today's episode, we'll drop in on the steamy and surprising first week of the French Open.

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Also get back on our high horse, this time to make the case of retiring the number of a beloved former New York Knick.

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But we are absolutely obliged to begin with the NBA's nearly set finals.

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So much like when we did this last time, there's a game seven in about four hours or so.

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Tonight's game seven, OKC and the Spurs.

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Why don't you kick us off on kind of how you've seen this series go down so far? Yeah.

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Long, which, uh, not surprising.

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I thought that might happen.

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I think I said six, but seven works as well.

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You got Wemby, you got SGA.

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Story of the series.

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When Wemby outscores SGA, Spurs win every time.

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Game seven in OKC, Thunder are 4 and 0 at home in game sevens since relocating.

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Okay.

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So- That's a good one who you got? Well, I'll tell you what I want.

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Um, we have had a seven-game series, and I think I maybe put that out there, you know, last time we got together.

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But the last four of these seven games have been actually pretty one-sided.

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So me personally, I would love to see a competitive game over the last five minutes.

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Um, you know, and have, you know, all, both those two superstars, Wemby, SGA, and then however sort of the supporting cast kicks in as well.

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But I would just love a really close game.

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One s- you know, a single digit kinda game over the last four or five minutes and seeing what happens.

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Yeah.

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And one other thing.

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I mean, I wouldn't have minded if Game one of the finals was just a little earlier than, than it is You know, you're supposed to be rewarded, right, with the rest thing.

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Uh, you sweep this o- this other series goes the full distance, and they're gonna be pretty rested, whoever they is So- you know, just throwing that out there for the scheduling people.

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Listen, we're here now.

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This is actually happening.

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I'll start with the fact that the New York Knicks, who have really been, you know, the most dominant team, of course, in the playoffs to date, I don't think we can really argue that one, they need to fight against that this season has really been a big accomplishment.

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It has been a big accomplishment, no matter what happens over the next seven to 10 days.

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But I think the thing going in our Knicks' favor to try to help with that is Jalen Brunson.

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They have a, a leader and a player that absolutely knows how to kinda keep the pulse of this team.

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We saw it in the, you know, in the timeouts kind of in the end of the last series.

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So I'm hoping that that's, that that helps.

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But that's, uh, that's where I would start on the Knicks.

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Where, where do you wanna jump in? Yeah.

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I'll jump in with, with KAT.

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KAT in the, in the playoffs has turned into a full-blown point center.

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Yeah.

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And you talked about Magic Johnson the other day.

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I mean, he's no Magic, right? But he is wearing number 32, and he, when the Knicks, when he dishes, uh, five or more, so five or more assists, the Knicks are nine and O.

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So there's, there's a stat for you.

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And he's shooting with confidence inside and outside.

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Inside, boy, what a determined look he has on his face when he goes to the hole, but also outside, uh, uh, the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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I think when we started teeing up KAT, you know, at the beginning of the playoffs actually, you know, I threw out the words controlled aggression, right? So that's either going to the basket.

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That's also shooting with confidence, you know, kind of right at the top of the key.

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He's probably been at least 50% on those shots over the last few games, so couldn't agree with you more.

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You know, and then this whole thing about the team itself, the Knicks are 10 deep, you know? So- Yes whoever the, you know, however the dominoes kind of play out, and now we have a potential question mark on Mitchell Robinson, has a broken right pinky.

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Uncertain as to exactly how that's going to- He'll be fine impact Okay, folks, you have it here.

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He's going to be completely fine.

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The, the only thing that could possibly suffer are his free throws.

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Ah.

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Oh, wait Yeah.

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Well, okay.

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Uh, I think, what are we at? I think 32% or so for the playoffs so far.

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I will just say that if for, for whatever reason that Mitchell Robinson is,, not able to kind of log those minutes, it- we're 10 deep, we might go 11 deep.

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Don't be surprised if Ariel Ukparibe gets some of the big minutes because we actually do need to go big, you know, kind of either who we play in this series, so.

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Right.

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We sh- we shall see.

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And we need OG's health to, to keep the way it's been looking.

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You know, he came back strong after sitting out a few games.

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Having the run of a lifetime.

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Let's just l- in fact, let's move on, because it's almost, a little too good and, and Bridges too.

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Everyone's playing well, and Josh Hart is the spark.

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So we, we got, like you said, we, we, we run deep.

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We're gonna need it against, a more talented starting group that we'll be playing regardless of who it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like this, I mean, we're gonna need the bench.

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We're gonna need everything I'm,, looking forward to the series.

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Yeah, and I'll just, last thing I'll just say, of course, match up, I don't care either way.

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However, it would be kind of electric to have, you know, kind of Wemby in the garden and just have those teams match up.

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Uh, that would be just great television.

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It would be great for the fans in both arenas, but let's see what, let's see how it all shakes out.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, with that, let's move into some of the tennis.

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So French Open, week one, what, uh, where do you wanna start with the, what's been actually a very sultry first six or seven days out in, out in Paris? Yeah, let's start with the, the fact that we're gonna have a Grand Slam winner who's not named Alcaraz or Sinner.

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There you go.

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So nine in a row for those guys.

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If you wanted to go back to the last time one of them didn't win, it was Djokovic.

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Um, guess what? He's out, too.

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Unbelievably dropping a match after being up two sets to love, but at some point, you know, listen, the guy is, uh, is a human being, I think, last I checked.

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So, you know, field's kind of quite open right now.

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Who do you like? You know, I have to say, in looking at the last few days, how exciting is it on the men's side of things with these teenagers? So we got Rafael Jordar, hopefully I'm making these pronunciations correctly, 19 years old from Spain.

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He was actually seeded 27, so he's been, he's been up and coming.

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Moise Kouame, so he's the 17-year-old sensation from France.

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Yeah.

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And basically the whole crowd, it looked like it was actually a US Open match with all of the, the screaming and him playing to the crowd and, you know, some sort of tension with, with the judge and things.

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But, you know, a, uh, definitely a promising player, and we'll see what happens in the next round.

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And then what you talked about, Joao Fonseca, I think I got that right, 19 from Brazil, had a lot of game, coming back from two sets to, you know, arguably the GOAT in the game is incredible.

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Yeah.

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So let's see how this shakes out and whether any of these guys actually play each other.

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That would be pretty, that would be pretty cool.

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And, you know, prepping quickly for this session, one thing occurred to me, was in the history of the Grand Slam era, there have only been two Black men who have ever won a Grand Slam title.

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Arthur Ashe won three.

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And Jannik Noah won the French, which was the only one that Arthur Ashe didn't win.

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Yep.

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So in, in the field right now, you have, Kuombé uh, you have Tiafoe from, uh, and l- he, he won, I hope as we're recording.

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He, I know he's going today.

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Uh, as of my notes, he was still going.

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And then you have Félix Auger-Aliassime.

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So you have milestone potentially in the, in the making there.

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Yeah, no, the French Open already has been playing to just kind of some wow tennis in really tough conditions.

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And on the women's side, um, I mentioned Iga last time, so still going strong.

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Coco goes out today, so we, we don't have that.

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However, in the next round, very excited to see Naomi Osaka, uh, continuing her comeback tour against the always, you know, and still number one Sabalenka.

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So that is definitely a must-see viewing.

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Indeed.

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Okay, so now we are moving to our, uh, lightning round.

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We have a few topics and, uh, first up, I think you're gonna go a little medical on us.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I wanna talk about the, the Nano Needle Scope.

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So this is actually something that originally debuted in 2019.

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We're now on the 2.0

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scope.

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This is looking like a game changer, um, across, across sort of sports medicine, and we'll talk about baseball in a second, but a little bit on the technology.

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So in terms of the old arthroscope, traditionally, that was a fiber optic tube with a light and a camera lens, a diameter that's kind of like four millimeters or think like a pencil.

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Yeah.

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The Nano Needle, the 2.0,

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about 1.9

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millimeters, so that's less than half, with a tiny camera lens and much better resolution than the one from five or six years ago.

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So think just kind of a long needle, and what this does is it makes as much smaller incision, like an IV poke, glides to a location or locations if you're trying to get out kind of a bone chip from the elbow.

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Mm-hmm.

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It pumps less fluid, which leads to lower bleeding, lower scarring, less inflammation, and less swelling.

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So you put that all together, and now you fast-forward to the last few weeks, and we have, who was arguably going into this season the best pitcher in the game, Tarik Skubal, which was announced that he actually had to get elbow surgery.

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Tarik Skubal went through the Nano Needle 2.0.

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Let's look at some of the dates here.

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May 6th was the procedure to remove a loose body.

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It was like a lima bean-sized bone chip from the elbow.

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12 days after the surgery, he played catch and warmed up for a bullpen.

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Three days later, he fired 35 pitches in another bullpen session.

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Now we're up to May 26th, earlier in the week, two and two-thirds simulated innings at Detroit's Comerica Park mound, and this is where we're at.

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So he's on the doorstep of kinda coming back to the rotation, but also following all of the checkpoints.

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This is truly game-changing stuff.

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Of course, this doesn't address the overall pitching epidemic in the game and injuries due to max effort.

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That's a separate topic.

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And is it.

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I know you're not a doctor, nor do you play one on TV.

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Is this, uh, s- exclusively for elbow issues or- No, no.

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It can be in the knee.

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Ah.

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It's been doing meniscus stuff.

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Ah, okay.

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Uh, uh, one of the hockey goalies went through it a few months ago.

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Okay.

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So yes.

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So this is...

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Wow.

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It's- I feel like the Mets rotation from a few years ago could have, uh...

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Maybe we were World Series champs.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it's...

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So stay tuned on this stuff, especially with Skubal over the next couple of weeks, but it's, it's really interesting So speaking of the hockey, we do actually have two teams now for the, uh, NHL finals.

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What, uh, how do you look at what's been going on over the last week or so? Yeah.

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Uh, the Stanley Cup Final is set.

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We're gonna have, uh, Carolina against the Vegas Golden Knights Game one on Tuesday.

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The winner will take home the team's second Stanley Cup.

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Carolina has been the favorite kind of all along.

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Uh, they swept Ottawa, swept Philly, took out Montreal 4-1 in the East Final.

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Have a excellent first line of Stankoven, Hall, and Ehlers, and, a goalie in Freddie Andersen, who, who's been playing great, and, you know, is mourning the loss of his agent- Saw that and good friend Claude Lemieux, uh, who tragically, uh, took his own life a few days ago.

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Yeah.

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One of, one of, the, fantastic hockey players from a generation ago.

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So that's, that's going on in Carolina.

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And then the other main thing to look at with, with, with the Hurricanes is Rod Brind'Amour.

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My God.

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I mean- That was the worst year I grew up watching this guy on the Flyers against the Rangers.

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His arc's been incredible.

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At some point he left the Flyers, he, he moved over to Carolina, won them their Cup, their one and only Cup, in 2006, and he never left.

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He's been there in the family, into development, as an assistant.

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He became head coach in 2018.

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He's taken them to three conference finals, uh, all, with losses.

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But now this is his first chance to, uh, take home the Cup.

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It's, it's quite a story.

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Uh- Yeah, 15 seasons behind the bench- Yeah starting as an assistant.

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Yeah.

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I am absolutely- Yeah.

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And uh, rooting for that squad.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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And so, uh, and then just real fast on Vegas.

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They impressively swept Colorado, who was the number one seed, uh, in, in the West, although dealing with a few injuries.

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They have, uh, Mitch Marner, who escaped from the downtrodden Maple Leafs, and, uh, Jack Eichel, who has already won Olympic gold this past season- Yeah with Team USA.

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Um, and, you know, fun fact, uh, he's, he's already the only, o- one of only two players in history to win Hobey Baker, Olympic gold, and the Stanley Cup.

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So, uh, but now he's going for his, his second Cup.

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Uh, I think it's gonna be a very close series.

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Carolina's technically favored, but I, I think this, uh, should, should be maybe, the best, series so far in this, in the, NHL playoffs.

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Maybe where the experience takes over with Vegas kinda having been there a lot.

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Been there, done that a little bit.

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Carolina, new territory.

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They each kinda have, though.

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They each kinda ha- I mean, Caro- with the conference finals, yeah, I mean, they've, they've each at least been pretty close, so.

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Okay.

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So, uh, we'll see.

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I mean, Vegas is unbelievable.

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They're still, to me, an expansion team, and this is- Right they're on the cusp of winning their second cup.

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Um- Absolutely and, uh, yeah, Carolina, you know, the Hartford fans are still moaning that loss.

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The Whale? The, they were the Whalers, yeah.

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The Whale.

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Um, all right.

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As I mentioned at the top, we are gonna get back on our high horse this week.

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It's been a while.

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This is gonna be a combo high horse.

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I guess we're sort of riding double, if you will, this time.

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We are.

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So number 30, Bernard King.

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We wanna make the case to put number 30 into the MSG rafters.

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Why don't you start us off? Yeah.

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Easy case in my book.

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Bernard King, greatest scorer I've ever seen in a Knick uniform.

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He would get the ball down in the block, turn, shoot.

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Couldn't stop it.

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Always got the shot off, and it basically went in.

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Um, back to back 50 point games in the regular season, dropped 60 on the Nets on Christmas Day.

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Uh, he also- That was, that was a wonderful day yeah.

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And he, he also was the main character in two fantastic playoff series in '84, averaging 40 points a game in a five game series, a best of five against the Pistons.

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Yeah.

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And then right after that, falling to the Celtics in seven.

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Bernard scored 40 in two of the MSG games.

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He's going against a Celtic team that had three future Hall of Famers, an absolute juggernaut, and took us to the cusp.

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So I'm gonna pause there.

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I have a little more to say on Bernard.

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But, uh- All right I, I wanted to get your thoughts as well.

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Let me add a little, let me add a little color.

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So first of all, Bernard King's in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Let's just, let's just, you know, internalize that for a second.

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Right.

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As a Knick, he's the two, he's the two time first team all NBA, '83, the '83-'84 season, the '84-'85 season.

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Then he had the devastating knee injury in March of, of '85.

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Can still see it.

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Now that's the same knee that he had cartilage removed 10 years earlier when he was at Tennessee, you know, which sort of speaks to the fact that it was gonna be really hard to bounce back from that.

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If that doesn't happen, we're kind of looking at, you know, a five to six year easy run, you know, as a Knick.

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Let's look at the franchise overall for a second.

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The New York Knick franchise is one of the only three 1946 charter BBA members, so that's the Basketball Association of America, um, with the Celtics and then with the Warriors, they were from Philadelphia at that point, still in continuous operation.

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Yet there are 10 teams that have more retired numbers than the New York Knicks.

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That seems like a little bit of a disconnect to me.

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Um, I think it's absolutely time to celebrate the bridge to Patrick Ewing.

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You know, when I think of Bernard King, I used to have the Sony Dream Machine, you know, to wake up in the morning.

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Oh, yeah.

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And the song Automatic was the song that woke me up probably for two years straight.

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Yep.

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And that is what I smile and think about in terms of Bernard.

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It's a good one.

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Yeah.

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And I just wish and hope, and you can add a little bit more- Yeah that there's a way in.

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Because I think that if we were able to kind of look past the number of years and not getting to at least the conference finals- The impact is, is there and it really- Let, let me, let, yeah Yeah.

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Go ahead.

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The impact is, I, I, okay.

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C- two more things from me on Bernard.

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Sure.

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Look, Bill Simmons, you either love him, you either might hate him, uh, but one thing's for sure, that guy knows basketball.

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I mean- Yeah that is just given, right? He's written The Book of Basketball.

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It's, it's like 2,000 pages.,

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Long story short, he's a more of a Boston fan than, than, you know- a Knick fan.

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He has Bernard King 58 out of- Wow 96 people in the, in the p- in what he calls The Book of Basketball pyramid.

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People that, by definition he goes in front of, um, by being 58.

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Robert Parish, Tiny Archibald, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dennis Rodman, Chris Webber, Joe Dumars, Cindy Moncrief, and Chris Mullen.

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Uh, so that's from the guy who doesn't love the Knicks.

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Uh, and that's how the res- that's the respect he has for Bernard.

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I also would like to uh, quickly mention a personal anecdote.

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I went to a game once in mid-'80s during Bernard's peak.

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I happened to be sitting right behind his parents, uh- Oh, wow during the game, and it was a hilarious game.

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Uh, it was a day game, so it wasn't that raucous a crowd, but you could always hear when the Knicks had the possession and they were, they were on offense, uh, people would be screaming, "Hey, what are you doing with the ball? Give it to Bernard."

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Just, just constantly, all game.

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Love it.

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And his parents were just smiling.

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And it was his mom's birthday, the whole Garden singing happy birthday and all that stuff.

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So that was my personal Bernard King memory.

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Yeah, no, I have to say, I'll just end it with the fact that I have loved seeing Bernard King take in this whole playoff run at pr- pretty much every game.

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Yeah.

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And that's, that's just wonderful.

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So let's see what happens.

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We made our case.

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Yeah, we've made our case, Mr.

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Dolan.

353
00:23:17,858.0394249 --> 00:23:18,338.0394249
All right.

354
00:23:18,498.0394249 --> 00:23:21,18.0394249
Let's, uh, let's move to a little PS.

355
00:23:21,338.0394249 --> 00:23:29,578.0394249
So I thought this week, and it was kind of inspired by a big budget movie coming out this summer, which I'll, which I'll get to in a little bit.

356
00:23:30,138.0394249 --> 00:23:45,238.0394249
But, uh, the question is, three books that igno- that ignited joy of reading and left a lasting mark for, for you, any time from childhood through high school, and at least one of these books that was maybe assigned, uh, from school.

357
00:23:46,78.0394249 --> 00:23:57,866.0394249
So with those parameters, why don't you go through your first one? Okay so book number one, I've got Fahrenheit 451- Wow from Ray Bradbury.

358
00:23:58,786.0394249 --> 00:24:00,306.0394249
Uh, it was, it was...

359
00:24:00,346.0394249 --> 00:24:08,165.0394249
It wasn't just the dystopia, but it was the idea that books could be so dangerous that a whole government apparatus existed just to burn them.

360
00:24:08,726.0394249 --> 00:24:14,956.0394249
And so when someone tells you that something is so forbidden, and something seems so threatening, you wanna know what's in it.

361
00:24:15,96.0394249 --> 00:24:25,436.0394249
I also kind of understood that reading was an, you know, an act of freedom, and so it got me thinking about Soviet Union, and I went on to study that stuff in college.

362
00:24:25,496.0394249 --> 00:24:28,596.0394249
So very impactful book for me, Fahrenheit 451.

363
00:24:28,836.0394249 --> 00:24:29,176.0394249
Love it.

364
00:24:29,316.0394249 --> 00:24:30,16.0394249
Great choice.

365
00:24:30,256.0394249 --> 00:24:34,396.0394249
Um, I am starting with The Phantom Tollbooth.

366
00:24:34,536.0394249 --> 00:24:39,576.0394249
I see the, it, uh- It, it did make- You have, you have carried it with you it made an arrival today.

367
00:24:39,716.0394249 --> 00:24:40,526.0394249
Norton Juster.

368
00:24:40,756.0394249 --> 00:24:44,16.0394249
This is Milo's journey via magical tollbooth portal.

369
00:24:44,596.0394249 --> 00:24:47,256.0394249
He got in his little used electrical car.

370
00:24:47,316.0394249 --> 00:24:50,796.0394249
He was soon joined by a ticking watchdog named Tock.

371
00:24:51,415.0394249 --> 00:25:04,36.0394249
The, uh, the t- the 2011 was the 50th anniversary of when the book came out, and there was an NPR interview where Norton Juster talked about it being an accidental marketplace.

372
00:25:04,76.0394249 --> 00:25:06,316.0394249
Uh, excuse me, an accidental masterpiece.

373
00:25:06,676.0394249 --> 00:25:14,156.0394249
Why? Well, he was an architect, and he also received a grant back then to do a book on cities for children.

374
00:25:14,916.0394249 --> 00:25:28,356.0394249
However, he completely lost his energy for the project and his passion, and he started thinking about his own childhood, which he said in his words was quiet, introverted, and moody, which kind of led him to thinking about The Phantom Tollbooth.

375
00:25:28,386.0394249 --> 00:25:32,196.0394249
And I just wanted to read a very, very short few sentences.

376
00:25:32,556.0394249 --> 00:25:40,176.0394249
So this is where Milo is, uh, finds himself at a royal banquet, and the king is talking to him.

377
00:25:41,146.0394249 --> 00:25:43,976.0394249
"What an ordinary little boy," commented the king.

378
00:25:44,736.0394249 --> 00:25:48,75.0394249
"Why, my cabinet members can do all sorts of things.

379
00:25:48,116.0394249 --> 00:25:50,936.0394249
The duke here can make mountains out of molehills.

380
00:25:51,676.0394249 --> 00:25:53,696.0394249
The minister splits hairs."

381
00:25:54,546.0394249 --> 00:25:58,36.0394249
"The count makes hay while the sun shines.

382
00:25:58,96.0394249 --> 00:26:00,776.0394249
The earl leaves no stones unturned.

383
00:26:01,336.0394249 --> 00:26:05,496.0394249
And the undersecretary," he finished ominously, "hangs by a thread.

384
00:26:06,56.0394249 --> 00:26:11,168.0394249
Can't you do anything at all?" That's a good one All right.

385
00:26:11,348.0394249 --> 00:26:12,308.0394249
What do you got? Number two.

386
00:26:12,468.0394249 --> 00:26:13,168.0394249
That's a good one.

387
00:26:13,548.0394249 --> 00:26:18,508.0394249
I got my boy Billy Shakespeare coming in hot at number two.

388
00:26:18,728.0394249 --> 00:26:18,738.0394249
Okay.

389
00:26:18,748.0394249 --> 00:26:22,248.0394249
Henry IV Part 1's actually my favorite, play of his.

390
00:26:22,348.0394249 --> 00:26:26,28.0394249
I've read it so many freaking times, but that's because I really like it.

391
00:26:26,618.0394249 --> 00:26:37,738.0394249
This is, this was originally assigned, But, um, you know, you got Prince Hal, the heir apparent to the throne, spending his days at a tavern getting drunk with Falstaff.

392
00:26:38,238.0394249 --> 00:26:42,38.0394249
A big comic slob of a man, and so everyone's like, "You're a loser, Hal."

393
00:26:42,618.0394249 --> 00:26:48,758.0394249
But when it matters and it's go time, boom, he, like, turns into this, you know, total king.

394
00:26:48,978.0394249 --> 00:26:53,338.0394249
He, he acts the, he acts the part, um, like he'd been preparing the whole time.

395
00:26:53,428.0394249 --> 00:26:53,448.0394249
Yeah.

396
00:26:53,448.0394249 --> 00:26:56,687.0394249
And then the other piece is Falstaff, such a rich character.

397
00:26:57,198.0394249 --> 00:27:02,638.0394249
He gets written off by many as kind of a drunk buffoon, but he's actually super wise, super sharp.

398
00:27:03,198.0394249 --> 00:27:08,38.0394249
Uh, he has a great monologue on, on honor where he basically dismantles the whole concept.

399
00:27:08,158.0394249 --> 00:27:13,138.0394249
I will not read it aloud, but, my favorite, play, Henry IV Part 1.

400
00:27:13,328.0394249 --> 00:27:13,968.0394249
Very nice.

401
00:27:14,248.0394249 --> 00:27:17,828.0394249
Um, all right, one more on the kids' side of things.

402
00:27:17,848.0394249 --> 00:27:24,28.0394249
So this is clearly my most read book, uh, over the years, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

403
00:27:24,308.0394249 --> 00:27:32,588.0394249
Uh, you know, first as a kid, of course, probably to get over a few Jets games as well, but we'll be getting into that this summer when we take a little bit of a look back.

404
00:27:32,688.0394249 --> 00:27:40,148.0394249
Uh, and then of course, as a dad, you know, re- rereading the book to kind of both kids was such a pleasure.

405
00:27:40,768.0394249 --> 00:27:46,188.0394249
Um- You know- Yeah while pl- We just saw the play this week about the, the author.

406
00:27:46,268.0394249 --> 00:27:47,68.0394249
Yes, yes.

407
00:27:47,158.0394249 --> 00:27:49,528.0394249
Um, giant side note, go see it.

408
00:27:49,748.0394249 --> 00:27:49,988.0394249
Go ahead.

409
00:27:50,148.0394249 --> 00:27:50,628.0394249
Yep, yep.

410
00:27:50,708.0394249 --> 00:27:54,588.0394249
No, um, my wife Amanda saw it with some friends- Okay a couple of weeks ago.

411
00:27:54,618.0394249 --> 00:27:54,628.0394249
Okay.

412
00:27:54,648.0394249 --> 00:28:01,568.0394249
And I, I'll just say that, you know, of course, when you turn to the movie portion of things, you know, Will- Will- Right, Johnny Depp and...

413
00:28:01,808.0394249 --> 00:28:02,678.0394249
Or, or the original.

414
00:28:02,728.0394249 --> 00:28:03,308.0394249
The original.

415
00:28:03,548.0394249 --> 00:28:04,188.0394249
The original.

416
00:28:04,248.0394249 --> 00:28:04,448.0394249
Yeah.

417
00:28:04,598.0394249 --> 00:28:04,608.0394249
Yeah.

418
00:28:04,608.0394249 --> 00:28:04,618.0394249
Oh.

419
00:28:04,618.0394249 --> 00:28:21,268.0394249
So when you, so when you go to Willy Wonka- So Gene Wilder So when you go to Willy Wonka, for me, Gene Wilder is just one of those iconic actors, very much on my Rushmore shortlist of people, and of course, that performance is just a wow every single time.

420
00:28:21,348.0394249 --> 00:28:27,348.0394249
So reading the book, seeing the movie, the whole thing, it is just ingrained in, in my soul.

421
00:28:28,928.0394249 --> 00:28:29,628.0394249
Excellent.

422
00:28:29,678.0394249 --> 00:28:30,428.0394249
Like that pick.,

423
00:28:30,738.0394249 --> 00:28:32,898.0394249
my last one, Bonfire of the Vanities.

424
00:28:33,98.0394249 --> 00:28:33,858.0394249
Huh.

425
00:28:34,38.0394249 --> 00:28:37,38.0394249
Um, so just really two simple reasons.

426
00:28:37,198.0394249 --> 00:28:40,698.0394249
One is it painted a really vivid picture of New York City.

427
00:28:40,998.0394249 --> 00:28:41,18.0394249
Yeah.

428
00:28:41,98.0394249 --> 00:28:46,478.0394249
And, I mean, it was obviously, like, a huge bestseller and all this stuff, but I was like, "Oh, I know that block."

429
00:28:47,298.0394249 --> 00:28:49,398.0394249
Um, so it, that was kinda cool.

430
00:28:49,438.0394249 --> 00:28:59,918.0394249
And then the other part about it, was that it was actually published in snippets- Hmm before the book came out in Rolling Stone magazine, which was my favorite magazine, growing up.

431
00:29:00,38.0394249 --> 00:29:06,758.0394249
So I had gotten, you know, pieces of it, uh, in, in, uh, in Rolling Stone.

432
00:29:06,798.0394249 --> 00:29:10,518.0394249
And then, and then the whole thing came out and yeah, so I really enjoy that book.

433
00:29:10,878.0394249 --> 00:29:11,378.0394249
Love it.

434
00:29:11,478.0394249 --> 00:29:11,798.0394249
Love it.

435
00:29:12,18.0394249 --> 00:29:12,358.0394249
All right.

436
00:29:12,778.0394249 --> 00:29:16,458.0394249
My last one, and this of course would be the movie coming out this summer.

437
00:29:16,638.0394249 --> 00:29:19,78.0394249
Uh, Christopher Nolan is doing The Odyssey.

438
00:29:19,178.0394249 --> 00:29:21,358.0394249
Matt Damon is gonna be- Of course starring in it.

439
00:29:21,778.0394249 --> 00:29:21,918.0394249
Of course.

440
00:29:21,998.0394249 --> 00:29:28,238.0394249
So for me, The Odyssey, Homer's epic poem, I mean, this, this was the book, and it's...

441
00:29:28,358.0394249 --> 00:29:29,638.0394249
Well, I mean, an epic poem.

442
00:29:29,738.0394249 --> 00:29:33,98.0394249
It was long, but- This one was your assigned book.

443
00:29:33,198.0394249 --> 00:29:34,78.0394249
Oh, for sure.

444
00:29:35,208.0394249 --> 00:29:38,378.0394249
But Odysseus, a complex, flawed hero.

445
00:29:38,858.0394249 --> 00:29:41,458.0394249
He's smart, but he's selfish.

446
00:29:41,518.0394249 --> 00:29:46,978.0394249
You know, his survival story was one that even if it was assigned, I had to read this to the end.

447
00:29:47,278.0394249 --> 00:29:49,578.0394249
Um, you know, the journey home- Wait, wait, wait.

448
00:29:49,638.0394249 --> 00:29:53,598.0394249
You're saying- Oh, I got- not CliffNotes? I got- The actual book.

449
00:29:53,758.0394249 --> 00:29:56,238.0394249
I got through this one joyfully.

450
00:29:56,318.0394249 --> 00:29:58,718.0394249
I actually, uh, still have the book at home.

451
00:29:58,798.0394249 --> 00:30:04,918.0394249
It says the words- Yeah Peter in, um, on the pages, P-E-T-E-R, so I knew that it was mine.

452
00:30:05,198.0394249 --> 00:30:05,328.0394249
Uh-huh.

453
00:30:05,388.0394249 --> 00:30:08,78.0394249
I went through in terms of actually when I was taking notes.

454
00:30:08,158.0394249 --> 00:30:13,578.0394249
The notes did last all the way towards the end, so there, that speaks to your non-CliffNotes comments.

455
00:30:13,978.0394249 --> 00:30:30,618.0394249
And, uh, you know, it's just probably, and also just from the writer's side of things for me, the whole idea about, um, you know, hero, uh, characters, journey story, everything, uh, was just, you know, overwhelming.

456
00:30:30,648.0394249 --> 00:30:35,97.0394249
And I ended up taking another mythology class freshman year of college based upon the book.

457
00:30:35,798.0394249 --> 00:30:38,658.0394249
I wrote a modern-day odyssey in that class.

458
00:30:39,258.0394249 --> 00:30:40,518.0394249
But yeah, The Odyssey.

459
00:30:40,738.0394249 --> 00:30:41,338.0394249
Excellent.

460
00:30:42,778.0394249 --> 00:30:43,718.0394249
All right.

461
00:30:44,358.0394249 --> 00:30:45,638.0394249
Well, that's it for today.

462
00:30:46,298.0394249 --> 00:30:47,238.0394249
Thank you for listening.

463
00:30:47,858.0394249 --> 00:30:50,158.0394249
Until the next time, I'm Peter Olczyk.

464
00:30:50,898.0394249 --> 00:30:51,938.0394249
And I'm Scott Greenhut.

465
00:30:52,359.0394249 --> 00:30:58,958.0394249
Make sure to follow S&P's Why Not Us? on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.

466
00:30:59,478.0394249 --> 00:31:03,558.0394249
And until next time, we're gonna put this episode in the books